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Removal of healing items!
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Cooldown of 5-10 seconds!
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Spamming heal items is fun, so no! <3
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I was just thinking of the removal of healing items. I forgot who said this but WoE really has become into a battle of who can out-heal each other (at times). For some people all they have to do is walk in a castle that has like 5 people and they're just alone and spamming Pancakes or Giggling Boxes then takes down everyone else or maybe even the Emp.

If not, I was thinking of maybe some sort of cooldown? Maybe about 5-10 seconds before you can use another healing item. Like Pancake can be used, but then it has to wait another 5 seconds before using anothe one?

Just a few opinions here, and yes I know this has been brought up but I wanna bring it up again because I don't think any GM responded. Not so sure but, whatever.

Also, this wouldn't put a cooldown or removal of skills like Slim Potion Pitcher and whatnot.

Discuss and vote? :O
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Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:28 pm
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I think healing items during woe is a bunch of BS >.>
I think they should be used only by using skills (pot pitch) and such.
I see people pancaking and using giggles all the time during woe and i just find it lame >_>

throw them out plox~
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Idea's been suggested that anything above 9% heal to be tossed out. 9% heal is not that much, and giggles have a chance of Cursing you (which cuts your attack by 25% and if you stop to cure it you lose healing time, and expose yourself to attacks).

I've been killed more times than I can count while Giggling so no they're not OP.

Pancakes and other food items however have no negative effect, heal 12% and give you a STR bonus on top of it.

ALso Luzz has already put a delay on Giggles, they were alot faster before. Not to mention I have to go out and Farm them (at a much lower drop rate than the Honey you need for Pancakes. [Some monsters even drop 2 honey at once])


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Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:24 am
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Altho giggles have a negative affect they heal alot none the less.
Take everything out XO!!!!
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if aqnything pancakes SHOULD have a big cool down time 12%heal and str and easy to get allt he stuff? i think t hey should have aleast 10~15 seconds and giggleing should have a longer delay to a LK who has a very high reflect*will use mine*57% add alot of resits conters to any attack(yes yes i know it is very hard if not imposslte to do) but still i seen this happen alot some LK will be spaming pancakes or giggleings and let sins lks champs fight the spaming pancake or giggleing lk and the reflect just murders them

all i know is a army of just about anyone plus a spaming preist and acly heal on them as they gigleing or pancake its a pretty safe bet they wont go down at all so a delay time on it (longer one on giggleing) would work out will i think

tho if this is a big problem and maybe my opationw ill change aswell why not have a Gm set up a trial periold 1 woe or 3 woes without healing items and see how the players think then see were we go from there
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i would prefer it with either long cool down before taking them out because as basicly the only person that woe's alone with little help from other guilds i dont have my armor to anything like reflect and i dont even spam any skills i let my equipment spam skills with my max aspd but even so im still losing to those that spam heal (and those that spam ad/jt ...) and although ive not gotten any items that i can use to heal me during woe (all i have in the way of healing is ygg seeds an berries) so even if they were taken out it wouldnt really affect myself but those that spam them ofcourse will have to think of another stratagy and that should be what woe is about stratagy not whom can out spam or out run another (and on a side note ... i believe that traps should not even be regestered if they are placed on the edge nor on the portal itself)
Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:27 pm
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Dunno seems like all I see in woe now a days is people spamming healing items may that be pancakes or giggles. Just a cheap win in my opinion if your going reflect with an lk or pally or while devoting with pally. I find it lame but to quote myself "a win is a win". I guess delay wouldnt be bad. Id rather something happen about it than nothing at all.
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take it from me. ive killed many a people who were doing NOTHING but spamming them. just ask ol Gil lol.

giggles and pancakes should stay. for one making pancakes is expensive and time consuming, giggles you gotta farm. Plus, woe is about team work, so get in there and kick some butt Razz
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Not all of us are as good as you >_> people would have a better chance if others werent using them. You speak of team work then they can be healed by pot pitch or other healing skills. Reason im so against this idea is cause 1. Im bored and have no life. 2. Just is unfair in my opinion. I see both the good and negative from it but ultamatly I find them negative.

*votes for a trail of no pancakes and no giggles in woe* (or atleast delay)
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tehdarke wrote:
Not all of us are as good as you >_> people would have a better chance if others werent using them. You speak of team work then they can be healed by pot pitch or other healing skills. Reason im so against this idea is cause 1. Im bored and have no life. 2. Just is unfair in my opinion. I see both the good and negative from it but ultamatly I find them negative.

*votes for a trail of no pancakes and no giggles in woe* (or atleast delay)



not as good as me? im not the best. im good yes but thats cause i studied my class and learned how to fight other classes. sometimes you just cant win a fight man. sometimes you gotta go all out. i keep thinking of fighting Fullmoon in pvp one day. i literally had to put on GR, devling, white valk helm, and various other things just so i didnt die in 3 seconds. i eventually managed to killer her...like my 20th try lol.

its not unfair man. some people work their ass off to get cards. some people shelve out cash for them. either way, they are in the came. *i refer to cards cause you said potion pitcher, and that made me think kiels*
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O_O dude you got the complete wrong idea about all I said.
I never once said anything negative about people or Cards in that matter. I could careless about cards and would rather not bring that into this topic. This whole thing is about healing items. I was sayin I didnt like pancakes or giggles callin that rather unfair. I was saying if you wanna heal use pot pitch or other skills.
Never said you were the best just sayin not everyone is as good as you and can kill people who spam giggles or pancakes.
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Giggles i dont think should be in WoE but pancakes have a secondary effect. It should just have one use to get the +str effect. Or remove the healing effect from cooked items.
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If your going to bish about any healing items, just remove them all, potions and potion pitcher included. Some cases of potion pitching can be worse than pancakes I think considering it heals ALL people within 9X9 squares, Kiels and sprint set Pending as well.

Neo Genisis wrote:
I have to go out and Farm them (at a much lower drop rate than the Honey you need for Pancakes. [Some monsters even drop 2 honey at once])


Just go to pancakes then? Its not like people are gonna say "Omg he uses pannnncaakes hes ebil". Stop acting like using pancakes is "A level 100 LK taking on a 255 AD'er with 3X kiels and Sprint Set being called a fair fight".

A healing item is a healing item, and a win is a win, to say that something is completely noobish or unfair, even though you have just as much opportunity to get it yourself, but you dont use it because of your own ignorance is no way to try and win a argument about fairness.
Anyone can get honey from anywhere, its dumb easy to get even with a level 40 nub account not being in a guild, and getting money for making honey and buying the other items is even easier and can result in good leveling without a Angra.
If anything Giggles could be argued to be more unfair than pancakes, because only people with Wraith cards can farm them, some level 40 nub account would never be able to do that.

TLDR:
Do you like "A"? No
Do you like "B"? Yes

Do you think "A" is unfair? Yes

Ultimatum:
Can you use "A" yourself just as easily as other people? YES> Then stop whining and start using it already, no-one but yourself is stopping you from doing so.
Can you use "A" yourself just as easily as other people? NO> Then maybe there is some unfairness about it.
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GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT wrote:
If your going to bish about any healing items, just remove them all, potions and potion pitcher included. Some cases of potion pitching can be worse than pancakes I think considering it heals ALL people within 9X9 squares, Kiels and sprint set Pending as well.

Neo Genisis wrote:
I have to go out and Farm them (at a much lower drop rate than the Honey you need for Pancakes. [Some monsters even drop 2 honey at once])


Just go to pancakes then? Its not like people are gonna say "Omg he uses pannnncaakes hes ebil". Stop acting like using pancakes is "A level 100 LK taking on a 255 AD'er with 3X kiels and Sprint Set being called a fair fight".

A healing item is a healing item, and a win is a win, to say that something is completely noobish or unfair, even though you have just as much opportunity to get it yourself, but you dont use it because of your own ignorance is no way to try and win a argument about fairness.
Anyone can get honey from anywhere, its dumb easy to get even with a level 40 nub account not being in a guild, and getting money for making honey and buying the other items is even easier and can result in good leveling without a Angra.
If anything Giggles could be argued to be more unfair than pancakes, because only people with Wraith cards can farm them, some level 40 nub account would never be able to do that.

TLDR:
Do you like "A"? No
Do you like "B"? Yes

Do you think "A" is unfair? Yes

Ultimatum:
Can you use "A" yourself just as easily as other people? YES> Then stop whining and start using it already, no-one but yourself is stopping you from doing so.
Can you use "A" yourself just as easily as other people? NO> Then maybe there is some unfairness about it.


A level 40 nub account can get honey yes, but not pancakes as it requires the chef hat which is a time consuming quest. Then again these are guilds we're talking about and such a quest is trivial to them.

As i said with pancakes though, their main function should be the + str NOT the heal %. Giggles need a cool-down or a larger draw back to their use for a slightly larger heal % like coma instead of curse.
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i never farm them, hence i rarely heal with items... but my two cents on this would be to leave them because healing items are mostly helpfull for smaller guilds and low lvl cards players. Whati try to get at is that a 2 kiel chemi can spam pots with no problem and heal AoE at a 30-40k/sec spam ? :S while if you dont have any kiel you'll depend on your bard wich is most likely to be focused by the other team to death.


hope this helped

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